Tuesday, 28 September 2010

Genesis: Day 1

Yo, 
I feel like a challenge. So over the next few posts I will attempt to answer a question that has plagued religious believers and scientists alike, for centuries...
Does Christianity contradict Science?

Righty-O, ma homies, lets begin with Genesis! It’s possibly the most controversial... but a good starting point in my opinion;

Day 1
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.



This is the intro to the best selling, the most revolutionary, and the most controversial book of all time, yet many skeptics still haven't actually read it... They simply assume that all of genesis is complete Horse manure, because... well because they’ve been told it is. But, I hope in actually reading it you can see that it actually makes a lot of sense.
Lets consider the Big bang. We know it happened, or we wouldn't be here. We know when it happened, and even how it happened and what it was! But we still have no clue as to what caused it, or even what existed before it. Therefore the phrase ‘In the beginning God created...’ may be unprovable, but it is entirely logical.
Plus, what is described in verses 2 to 5 fits amazingly well with modern understanding of how solar systems are formed. Especially when you remember; this was written when people still thought the earth was flat!
Here is the ancient explanation vs the modern day scientific one:


The first day according to Genesis:
1- the earth was formless....God was hovering over the waters.
2- Let there be light, etc.
3- separated the light from the darkness...
4- there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.


‘The first day’ according to Science:
1-The Solar System formed from the gravitational collapse of a giant molecular cloud 4.568 billion years ago (oh, and the question of where water originated is still unknown, but I’m sure we’ll find out soon, here is a link if you are interested)
2-The centre, where most of the mass collected, became increasingly hotter than the surrounding disc. As the contracting nebula rotated, it began to flatten into a spinning protoplanetary disc with a diameter of roughly 200 AU and a hot, dense protostar at the centre
3-The planets formed by accretion from this disk.
4-The temperature, reaction rate, pressure, and density increased until hydrostatic equilibrium was achieved, with the thermal energy countering the force of gravitational contraction. At this point the Sun became a full-fledged main sequence star.


That’s cool! So far the two explanations fit, how wonderful for us all. However, there is the small issue of 50 million years, not equaling a day... But I put this error down to us humans. Back then I believe God could have explained about protostars and light years, and told us everything we need to know about the Higgs boson. But if some apparent lunatic prophet had challenged the theories of the time with anything that crazy sounding, it most certainly wouldn’t have ended up in the bible!

Having said that, at the time Genesis was still seen as pretty crazy! It was estremely revolutionary and went against all the established theories - all of which have since been conclusively dis-proven. I think this was the maximum change the people could have tolerated. Which is why it had to be explained in metaphor.



To wrap things up for today, ‘Day one’ survived my little test (but I think it’s going to get a lot tougher for poor old genesis :p).


Cya

13 comments:

  1. agreed!! Also, science isn't exactly fact. Loads of people go on it cos they think it is, but science was never solidly proven correct (partly because it's a way of understanding how the universe works according to HUMANS its bound to be flawed). Every single 'law' is only a theory, and many have been proven, disproved, then proven again... you can't just declare it to be entirely true.
    For example, Einstein's law of general relativity was proved right, but a few years later got disproved, and now its considered correct but ONLY up to a point, not infinitely.
    My point being, (although very controversial) You can rely on God a whole lot more than our 'science'. :P
    Michael

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  2. Does the bible not say that light came after the earth, the earth is 4.5 billion a years old, and the universe 13 billion years old, is it right in that photons, an elementary particle, did not exist until after the earth.

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  3. Very good... Although I think Leviticus might be a tad more controversial than Genesis :P


    Alistair, the verse reads "the heavens and the earth". Is it not correct that the universe (or 'heavens') existed before photons did?

    (The 'earth' may only be mentioned because the people who wrote at the time believed that the earth was the only existing body around; the concept of a 'universe' did not exist.)

    Luke

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  4. photrons or whatever dont exist its obvious that god can make earth without any of this science crap. where is the evidince? their is no proof that the earth is 4.5 billion year old but the bible says it isnt so that is better proof than these lies from so called "sciencetists".
    peace

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  5. *Only slightly before, naturally...


    (Oh, and according to the link below, light did not actually shine until around 300,000 years after time began.)

    http://ssscott.tripod.com/BigBang.html

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  6. photons along with quarks will obviously have been here since the very start, light as defined in that page is a wavelength of light that is visible to humans, so at 300,000 years after the big bang "light" was around. that's around 9 billion years before the earth was formed.

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  7. oh and by obviously i mean that because photons along with quarks are as far as we know indivisible

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  8. Indeed, in the blog, part 1 of the genesis explanation matches with part 1 of the scientific explanation...

    I am basically saying the Big Bang was when 'God created the Heavens and the Earth' and the formation of our solar system is subsequently described by

    'formless earth' = cosmic dust cloud...
    'let there be light' = formation of proton star...
    'separated light and dark' = formation of planet earth (thus separating night from day)...
    "that was the first day" = the solar system is complete

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  9. that's a bit to much inferred meaning for me

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  10. but when it says 'god separated light from darkness', if it were referring to photons in general that would be totally impossible, unless photons somehow took up all the space there ever was until they were somehow 'separated'.

    I dont think that, because it goes on to specify which light it is talking about... the words 'night' and 'day' were used (as in on planet earth), so it is clearly referring to our solarsystem.

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  11. oh and Luke havnt you heard of E=mc2
    WHERE THERE IS MASS THERE WILL ALWAYS BE LIGHT!

    :)

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  12. i'm not talking about the separation of night and day bit, i was talking about the "and let there be light" bit.

    I'm critical, as it seems to me that quotes can be picked and chosen to mean what current scientific theory describes.
    It's possible to do the same and pick quotes that disagree with the current understanding, such as "and the Spirit of God was moving over the face of the waters" with "and let there be light" clearly afterwards in the bible timeline.
    So if genesis is to agree with science, elements would have to form before light, but light was forming from around 10 seconds after the big bang and elements from about 3 minutes but none bigger than beryllium, for ones bigger than that it took around 70,000 years.

    sure things match, but i bet you could take the norse creation story or the hindu creation story and make it fit science.

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  13. http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=433667693252

    Not Really....

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